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the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of agreement. >> let's put aside the right wing here. we know that speaker boehner purged some of those seen as not being team players within his own party and we'll discuss the fact he's taken a hit for that. beyond the right wing or whatever you have numbers. you have exit polling. you have pew research poll that shows where the american people stand. if all of the people are there to represent us, meaning the people who are watching right now and the panel included here, we are all americans, we pay taxes, then why isn't this work getting done? >> well, just look at speaker boehner's fiscal cliff p
the call unlike the night when president obama called john boehner on election day and john boehner didn't answer his call. i think that you have to have both parties willing to engage with each other and talk to each other. looking back at the 1980s, for example, when ronald reagan was president and tip o'neill was speaker of the house, they didn't agree but they sit down and talk and negotiate and compromise and today's republican party so hijacked by the right wing they're incapable of...
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he met with john boehner yesterday. their first face to face meeting in more than three weeks. today, the president will visit a detroit engine factory. the president's meeting with john boehner did not yield a breakthrough, but the men did agree on one thing. they'll keep their negotiations behind closed doors. they released a statement saying this. this afternoon, the president and speaker boehner met at the white house to discuss efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff. we are not reading out the details of the conversation, but the lines of communication remain open. dan lothian is at the white house. how telling is it that the statements were identical from both the president and speaker boehner? >> it shows that both sides agree on something and that is that they're not going to continue to have this debate play out in front of the cameras, harsh rhetoric going back and forth. but instead, will do it in private and i think that's very telling. certainly, we don't know what happened in that meeting because neither side getting any details. perhaps they did have a breakthrough
he met with john boehner yesterday. their first face to face meeting in more than three weeks. today, the president will visit a detroit engine factory. the president's meeting with john boehner did not yield a breakthrough, but the men did agree on one thing. they'll keep their negotiations behind closed doors. they released a statement saying this. this afternoon, the president and speaker boehner met at the white house to discuss efforts to resolve the fiscal cliff. we are not reading out...
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. >> that's about right. >> 65 is where boehner checks in. we were talking about boehner in the last segment. what lawrence is saying is true. it's not boehner's fault he's a weak speaker, but he is an incredibly weak speaker. there's that thing in the times saying maybe they're coming around. i don't think they're coming around at all. the problem is the republican party is driven by this sort of conservative movement more now than ever before in the last couple of years. boehner is a little more old school in that. he came to congress in 1990. he was sort of a reformer and teamed up with democrats, he was more pragmatic and climbed into the leadership and fell out and climbed back in. he was next in line for the leadership when the tea party thing happen. the story of his speakership is the tea party conservatives are waiting for the minute he sells them out. he hasn't sold them out yet. >> it's like the tail wagging the dog. >> he doesn't exercise any p power. this is a test this month. he's waiting this out and looking to have enough cred
. >> that's about right. >> 65 is where boehner checks in. we were talking about boehner in the last segment. what lawrence is saying is true. it's not boehner's fault he's a weak speaker, but he is an incredibly weak speaker. there's that thing in the times saying maybe they're coming around. i don't think they're coming around at all. the problem is the republican party is driven by this sort of conservative movement more now than ever before in the last couple of years. boehner...
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something that boehner has been doing a lot of. let me explain how deficits between revenue and spending are mathematical and it's ridiculous and insulting to the intelligence to suggest that it is one or the other. the you want to balance the books, you spend less or bring in more. that's it. you can't make the argument that one or the other is the problem. every time he said it it's more and more ridiculous. i will complete his equation and tell you the truth where the politicians fall short. look at the bush era tax cuts that started in 2001 on the national debt. we projected it out to 2019, the big blob on the top. beige or butterscotch color. that's the bush era tax cuts and part of what is expected to be massive debt. that is the single biggist part of it, bigger than the cost of the wars or the economic downturn or t.a.r.p. or the cost of the bailouts of fannie mae and freddie mac and to all the measures to combat the crisis combined. i can't tell you whether we have a tax or a revenue problem, we have a math problem and it
something that boehner has been doing a lot of. let me explain how deficits between revenue and spending are mathematical and it's ridiculous and insulting to the intelligence to suggest that it is one or the other. the you want to balance the books, you spend less or bring in more. that's it. you can't make the argument that one or the other is the problem. every time he said it it's more and more ridiculous. i will complete his equation and tell you the truth where the politicians fall short....
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now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole.ç but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular than what john boehner proposed this week. what john boehner is advocating is making medicare available to fewer americans. as it happens, there is brand-new polling out today on how americans feel about the idea of congress using these deficit negotiations to make cuts to medicare. 79% of americans say they do not want congress to touch medicare in these deficit negotiations. 79%. if you want to get specific about john boehner's proposal, what he wants to do to medicare is to raise the eligibility age from 65 to 67. and as it turns out, there is also recent polling on that specific proposal. and
now, this may well present a problem for john boehner's caucus, because john boehner sent a letter to the president this week with his own plan, which advocates what just might be the least popular policy in american politics. okay, maybe that's hyperbole.ç but just be a tiny bit, i mean, mandatory gay marriage, in which every single married straight person had to immediately divorce their spouse, and accept a state-assigned same-gender spouse to replace them would probably be more popular...
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>> president obama and representative boehner have announced and boehner's office confirmed they will meet at the white house today at 5:00 p.m. eastern right after -- right after the closing bell, bill. >> right after. >> the point is the house has said they are going away for a long weekend tomorrow, and here we have boehner -- >> wait, don't go yet. >> getting this meeting in at 5:00 p.m., and it's amazing the market came halfway back just on that announcement. not that we have details of a deal, not that we know that we're having an agreement. just the fact that they are meeting. >> actually i thought they would come off the loews much more. >> you did. >> cut it in half, but it stalled here. >> we need more detail. it is encouraging. >> yeah. >> that they are talking. i mean, as long as you've got them in the same room. now, you know, john boehner has said he's leaving tomorrow, come hell or high water. he's going back home to get red for christmas. he says, you know, there is a telephone. >> not leaving for a long weekend. >> you can negotiate over the telephone? >> can't do it.
>> president obama and representative boehner have announced and boehner's office confirmed they will meet at the white house today at 5:00 p.m. eastern right after -- right after the closing bell, bill. >> right after. >> the point is the house has said they are going away for a long weekend tomorrow, and here we have boehner -- >> wait, don't go yet. >> getting this meeting in at 5:00 p.m., and it's amazing the market came halfway back just on that announcement....
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rejected boehner's deal. it's hard to see how boehner will get a different outcome this time around. eric cantor looking right over his shoulder. you could make the argument that cantor is the big player who is not in the room. because if boehner does a deal with the president and goes back and tries to get the republicans to vote for it in the house and cantor says no, where are we? the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones out. tonight's question. will republicans punish e speaker boehner for trying to work with the president? text a for yes, b to no to 622639. we'll bring the results later on in the show. joining me tonight is congressman emanuel cleaver from missouri. great to have you with us. >> good to be with you. >> i'd like to talk about the congressional black caucus if i could. they have been very, very strong about do not touch the entitlements, we're not going to move on this. so you have the president not moving on rates. you h
rejected boehner's deal. it's hard to see how boehner will get a different outcome this time around. eric cantor looking right over his shoulder. you could make the argument that cantor is the big player who is not in the room. because if boehner does a deal with the president and goes back and tries to get the republicans to vote for it in the house and cantor says no, where are we? the president, calm, cool and collected and remembering what this election is all about. get your cell phones...
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speaker boehnerments to -- boehner wants to talk face to face with the president, and the president wants to talk to no one. teaching students everything a student shld never become, the union uses a cartoon to talk taxes. you decide, is this teacher's union all wet? after months of campaigning for the president, bill clinton and the president should be best of friends; rig? ed, author of "the amateur"ays his sources say they are anything but. ♪ ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list atthe winter event going on now through december 31st. [ santa ] ho, , ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 e350 for $579 a month at your lal rcede deale lieu lie -- lou: well, you got to love former president bill clinton, interesting words on the fiscal cliff. in an event in sacramento, the president declared the whole standoff between president obama and the republicans as, quote, just a kabooky dance, two dogs that meet each other over a piece of meet, sniffing each other out, and moving towards a deal. with that elegance in mind,d, w
speaker boehnerments to -- boehner wants to talk face to face with the president, and the president wants to talk to no one. teaching students everything a student shld never become, the union uses a cartoon to talk taxes. you decide, is this teacher's union all wet? after months of campaigning for the president, bill clinton and the president should be best of friends; rig? ed, author of "the amateur"ays his sources say they are anything but. ♪ ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male...
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the pursuit with john boehner in 2011, obama was willing. there's reason to suspect there's something to all this chatter. and the question then becomes why? why would obama who simply by doing nothing these next few weeks could get the tax hike on the wealthy he's been demanding without touching medicare and social security? why would he entertain such drastic changes to the safety net? most likely culprit is the dreaded debt ceiling. here's why. republicans came to these talks with no leverage. the consequences of doing nothing before the december 31st meeting were worse for them than democrats. they looked into 2013 and maybe found something there. they're threatening again to hold the full credit of the united states hostage. joous lick the debacle of 2011. obama's official position on this is he won't be blackmailed. and he won't -- but this is a dangerous game. if republicans are serious about pulling a repeat of 2011, obama can't ignore them. since it will wreck immediate havoc on the economy. white house wants at the very least a lon
the pursuit with john boehner in 2011, obama was willing. there's reason to suspect there's something to all this chatter. and the question then becomes why? why would obama who simply by doing nothing these next few weeks could get the tax hike on the wealthy he's been demanding without touching medicare and social security? why would he entertain such drastic changes to the safety net? most likely culprit is the dreaded debt ceiling. here's why. republicans came to these talks with no...
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but we've already hurt the economy and hurt -- >> are you with boehner? >> i'm not with boehner. this guy doesn't need more money. >> we doubled spending. >> well, we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise, as far as taxes are concerned. >> well, how we go about tax reform, there's a lot of room to work together. >> lower the rats. i'm not sure where the democrats are. th they have not offered the plan. >> they keep the bush tax rates. the top two percent let them go from 35% to 39.6%. >> it's incredible to me we're already talking about it. it runs the government for five or six days. >> but at the beginning, every billionaire winds up being real money. >> but the president has known about this so-called cliff for over a year. and it's yet to present a plan that reduces our deficit. i'm willing to work with anyone who's willing to put a plan on the table. but our party, or anyone, should not
but we've already hurt the economy and hurt -- >> are you with boehner? >> i'm not with boehner. this guy doesn't need more money. >> we doubled spending. >> well, we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise, as far as taxes are concerned. >> well, how we go about tax...
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look, boehner has, right now, a few cards that he can play. he wants to quiet the noise on his side. you talk about the joint references. why is he always saying what he's saying publicly. that's just to make sure that people know that, look, this is still important for us. but he gets inside the room. you even eluded to that movement. >> you're laying out what you think republicans can give. what do you think the democrats, the moderates, the progress ifrs really want to see on the other side? do they want to see the rate change for the rich? above 250, 300, 400? do they want to say before you take a piece out of me, you've got to take a piece out of them. >> i think the 250 above is really important 679 i'll fell you why that is. it's because if you look at who got hurt the most in the downturn, it was the 98%, right? the very rich, the wealthiest in this country did pretty well. they did well even as the rest of the country has fallen often the cliff. so the idea that you're going to make it a little more progressive, even if later on you d
look, boehner has, right now, a few cards that he can play. he wants to quiet the noise on his side. you talk about the joint references. why is he always saying what he's saying publicly. that's just to make sure that people know that, look, this is still important for us. but he gets inside the room. you even eluded to that movement. >> you're laying out what you think republicans can give. what do you think the democrats, the moderates, the progress ifrs really want to see on the other...
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boehner's office denied that as, quote, nutty. i have a question for the congressman about the debt ceiling, which seems to be now the fault position for the republicans, let's get rid of this and negotiate on the debt ceiling. two questions, one, will any agreement come out for the fiscal cliff leave the debt ceiling unresolved, and, two, what would you even negotiate on the debt ceiling, should that be something that republicans force your hand on? are you with the president who says we need to kick them of that habit and never negotiate on raising the debt ceiling again? >> i think the president is right. the debt ceiling ought not to be a negotiable item. i don't know of anyone who agrees not putting america's credit worthiness at risk, saying to the world that america has incurred debt but is not going to pay them, is an alternative. i don't think that's -- i think senator mcconnell doesn't believe that, senator reid doesn't believe it, congresswoman pelosi doesn't agree, i don't agree, the majority leader doesn't agree with
boehner's office denied that as, quote, nutty. i have a question for the congressman about the debt ceiling, which seems to be now the fault position for the republicans, let's get rid of this and negotiate on the debt ceiling. two questions, one, will any agreement come out for the fiscal cliff leave the debt ceiling unresolved, and, two, what would you even negotiate on the debt ceiling, should that be something that republicans force your hand on? are you with the president who says we need...
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how far does the president have to go to give boehner something that helps boehner go to his caucus and say let's just do our deal. >> you want someone to be singing "i'll be home for christmas." >> there you go. >> first, it's nice to see you in d.c. >> it's a great pleasure. >> we have this little bubble of optimism in the conventional media the past few days. although they're talking, they're not saying much, there must be progress, but we still have a fundamental divide here. the president says rates have to go up. he doesn't want to trade the debt ceiling for anything. he thinks that should be separate. and boehner put out a proposal saying we'll raise invest knews but we're going to lower rates. won't specify, as you noted earlier. there seems to be in the staff level at least not much progress, any progress, being made. i have to believe the fundamental dynamic is still the same, that boehner is going to have a hard time convincing more than half of his caucus, even half of his caucus, to support something that really gives the president a lot in terms of revenue cuts and doesn't
how far does the president have to go to give boehner something that helps boehner go to his caucus and say let's just do our deal. >> you want someone to be singing "i'll be home for christmas." >> there you go. >> first, it's nice to see you in d.c. >> it's a great pleasure. >> we have this little bubble of optimism in the conventional media the past few days. although they're talking, they're not saying much, there must be progress, but we still have a...
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boehner. no details are announced tonight. some see as good news. the co-creator of a debt reduces plan sees progress. >> any time you two guys in that tangoing, you have a change to get done. >> reporter: before the talk, some republicans were admitting the president will get a lot of what he wants. >> let's face it, he has the upper hand on taxes. you have to pass something to keep that from happening. >> reporter: why the compromising words? the white house moderated some demands. the president say s tax rates fr the wealthy have to rise but now word that the actual rate could be negotiable. maybe not all the way back to 39.6%. >> will i accept a tax increase as a deal to solve problems? yes. >> reporter: those problem, according to republican, entitlement. and today, a leading democrat embraced the way to cut medicare cuts. means testing. those who make more would have to pay more for medicare. >> those of us with higher income in retirement should pay more. that could be part of a solution. >> reporter: the speaker feeling the heat from his rig
boehner. no details are announced tonight. some see as good news. the co-creator of a debt reduces plan sees progress. >> any time you two guys in that tangoing, you have a change to get done. >> reporter: before the talk, some republicans were admitting the president will get a lot of what he wants. >> let's face it, he has the upper hand on taxes. you have to pass something to keep that from happening. >> reporter: why the compromising words? the white house moderated...
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president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the democrats plan to slow walk our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff instead of engaging in serious talks to avert the cliff, that includes spending cuts and tax reforms the president once supported. the white house has only offered a joke. i understand we have speaker boehner to the microphones. let's take a listen. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. eight days ago secretary geithner came here to offer a plan that had twice the tax hikes that
president obama and john boehner. even all sides of the party are excluded. >>> with 25 days before taxes go up for nearly every single american, what effect will the jobs report have on the fiscal standoff? we'll get live remarks from john boehner who is going to try to use the jobs report to the republican's advantage. representative, let's start with the november jobs report numbers. they look very good, good news overall for the koirnlt tree. but speaker boehner said this, the...
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john boehner has to let rates go up. i think that's right. whether or not it's to 37 or whether or not we raise the threshold from 250 to something like $500,000 at the point we call people rich, that's a possibility. i think the same thing exists on the entitlement side. there are things that president obama laid on the table in the summer of 2011 we keep talking about. democrats really do not like changes to the measure of inflation applied to social security benefits, and they really do not like raising the eligibility age for medicare. so there are other things that happen? can we scale back the generosity of the obama care subsidies? can we start means testing in additional ways in the medicare program? they have to get creative. >> they got it to get creative, zachary. this comes at the busiest time of the year for retailers and businesses. have you noticed any signs at this point that consumers are at all holding back this holiday season fearing we may go over the so-called fiscal cliff? >> there's a lot of news reports on consumers ho
john boehner has to let rates go up. i think that's right. whether or not it's to 37 or whether or not we raise the threshold from 250 to something like $500,000 at the point we call people rich, that's a possibility. i think the same thing exists on the entitlement side. there are things that president obama laid on the table in the summer of 2011 we keep talking about. democrats really do not like changes to the measure of inflation applied to social security benefits, and they really do not...
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i say to my friend john boehner you control matters on the floor, no one else does. you have the ability and you're the only one that has the ability to put this on the floor for a vote. he should do that. that would be the american way. >> house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid on the fiscal cliff standoff. "the new york times" reporting gop leaders are considering extending tax cuts for the fiscal class to avert the fiscal cliff but if that is the case republicans are staying very tight lipped about it. joining me is senator ben carden from maryland a member of the budget committee and the committee on finance. good to have you here and you have said one thing you want from these talks is to show the markets and to show leaders, that leaders have the situation under control there, in your estimation, how would you say that's going so far? >> well predictability is very important. i think the first step is exactly what leader reid said. if we can get predictability on the taxable income below $250,000, everyone knows that's under current ra
i say to my friend john boehner you control matters on the floor, no one else does. you have the ability and you're the only one that has the ability to put this on the floor for a vote. he should do that. that would be the american way. >> house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid on the fiscal cliff standoff. "the new york times" reporting gop leaders are considering extending tax cuts for the fiscal class to avert the fiscal cliff but if that is the...
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the president has had his picture with speaker boehner. but look, the important thing as you say is to get everybody together. now, the president's plan is very clear. he spells out exactly how he's going to get the revenue and he's very detailed about the cuts. what we would like to see is a similarly detailed plan from speaker boehner. as the president said, when you look at the revenue number they propose, for example, they don't tell you how they do the math. so in addition to being not enough revenue, not even as much revenue as is imbedded in the bipartisan simpson-bowles plan but in addition to not being enough, they don't tell you how to get it. when it comes to cuts, the president has also spelled out his cuts and it would be very useful if our republican colleagues would spell them out so we could see where they might match up and where they don't. >> congressman, thank you for joining me. >> thank you. thanks, piers. >>> coming up, a man familiar with washington battles that go down to the wire. former speaker newt gingrich who
the president has had his picture with speaker boehner. but look, the important thing as you say is to get everybody together. now, the president's plan is very clear. he spells out exactly how he's going to get the revenue and he's very detailed about the cuts. what we would like to see is a similarly detailed plan from speaker boehner. as the president said, when you look at the revenue number they propose, for example, they don't tell you how they do the math. so in addition to being not...
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boehner was their leader ostensibly. eric cantor is not undermining boehner in any way. we also have a different context politically. the house republicans maintained the majority but lost seats. i think they realize they can't go through these type of standoffs and continue to hold on to power. they also have cover, importantly, i think, from conservative commentators who are saying, maybe, this isn't the best time to start demanding no rate hikes. i think when the cultures step out there and give you that type of cover, that does give a lot of leeway and it does quiet some of the louder tea party members of the caucus. >> as i said, they had exactly one senator with them today. let's listen to how tough rand ball wants to play this thing. let's listen to this. >> my suggestion to them has been, and i've talked to several members, and you can ask them too, i think we should put forward what we are for. if it gets beyond that and something is going to happen, i think we should encourage those in the house to vote present. let the democrats own this tax increase and it co
boehner was their leader ostensibly. eric cantor is not undermining boehner in any way. we also have a different context politically. the house republicans maintained the majority but lost seats. i think they realize they can't go through these type of standoffs and continue to hold on to power. they also have cover, importantly, i think, from conservative commentators who are saying, maybe, this isn't the best time to start demanding no rate hikes. i think when the cultures step out there and...
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boehner's trying to mitigate that mess. i wish him luck. something's going to f to have to give. >> from everything i've heard is that we are realistically, there's two options for country. one, go over the cliff. the other, extend the bush tax cuts for the 98% of americans. everyone who makes under $200,000 a year if they're single. those seem to be the two choices. between those, which do you pick? >> but, if we do that and raise the taxes on those small businesses we were just talking about, according to the congressional budget office, that's going to be about 200,000 american families are going to be out of work next year and that's the low estimate. young is estimating about 700,000 more unemployed. that's a lot of hurt for the middle class, so this is a battle for the middle class even when we're talk iing about that upper bracket because of the enormous impact that has on small business job creators. >> okay. i mean, aside from that argument though, i'm really trying to just get at the process here. it seems that there isn't that mu
boehner's trying to mitigate that mess. i wish him luck. something's going to f to have to give. >> from everything i've heard is that we are realistically, there's two options for country. one, go over the cliff. the other, extend the bush tax cuts for the 98% of americans. everyone who makes under $200,000 a year if they're single. those seem to be the two choices. between those, which do you pick? >> but, if we do that and raise the taxes on those small businesses we were just...
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john boehner says there's no progress. does he mean it? we'll hash it out with david gregory, chris cizilla and the campaign to fix the debt. will governor nikki haley appoint stephen colbert to the senate? just imagine the filibuster. the latest with politico's maggie haberman on the impact of jim demint's departure. is there a military solution to counter weapons in syria. the latest from the white house picture gallery. all that and more coming up on "andrea mitchell reports." two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. or treat gas with these after you get it. now that's like sunblock before or sun burn cream later. oh,
john boehner says there's no progress. does he mean it? we'll hash it out with david gregory, chris cizilla and the campaign to fix the debt. will governor nikki haley appoint stephen colbert to the senate? just imagine the filibuster. the latest with politico's maggie haberman on the impact of jim demint's departure. is there a military solution to counter weapons in syria. the latest from the white house picture gallery. all that and more coming up on "andrea mitchell reports." two...
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>> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer from the white house. we know that the ap is also reporting that at least partial offers have been exchanged between the two sides over the past two days. so, clearly, what we know here is that paper is changing hands and the deal making is actually happening right now. what we don't know is what the content of that deal is. and speaker's office telling me right now that they're not going to be able to provide any detail on what was in that counter offer, so, behind the scenes, the mystery continues here. >> so, again, we're not necessarily zeroing in on exactly where that revenue comes from, we don't know if it
>> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer from the white house. we know that the ap is also reporting...
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boehner said no way. and then tom cole said boehner should not offer a counterproposal to the fiscal cliff deal the president presented. boehner offered a proposal yesterday. i asked cole if he's frustrated with john boehner. >> no, not in the least. look, i support the speaker. and we're actually not very far apart on anything. and, you know, at the end of the day, he's going to negotiate a deal. it will probably be a challenging vote for a lot of people. i always support him. i would expect i will again and try and persuade others. just to be clear, i'm not for raising taxes on anybody. i think it's a mistake. i think all republicans believe that. however, you have to recognize the reality that at the end of the month, tax rates for every american that pays income tax are going to go up. so there is an area that we do agree with the president on. that is 98% of the american people, getting about 80% of this tax cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. so my suggestion -- it was delivered, by the way, in p
boehner said no way. and then tom cole said boehner should not offer a counterproposal to the fiscal cliff deal the president presented. boehner offered a proposal yesterday. i asked cole if he's frustrated with john boehner. >> no, not in the least. look, i support the speaker. and we're actually not very far apart on anything. and, you know, at the end of the day, he's going to negotiate a deal. it will probably be a challenging vote for a lot of people. i always support him. i would...
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house speaker john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over 10 years. think about $16 trillion. that's how much debt this country has and according to bill gross, the man who runs the world's biggest bond fund, the guy that decides to lend money to the united states and how much we have to pay to borrow, says we have to cut spending or raise taxes by 11% of gdp over next 10 years and according to gross that's $1.6 trillion a year. that is, let's just make this clear, $1.2 trillion a year more than the president proposes and $1.38 trillion a year more than john boehner has offered. yeah. peanuts. i recently spoke with erskine bowles, the bowles in simpson-bowles and even he agreed that bill gross is right. >> absolutely. he's 100% right. i don't know if 16's number but i would be happier at $5 trillion or $6 trillion because that's what we need to solve the problem long term. >> those are big numbers. bilg gross will be with us in a moment. i want to bring in john avalon right now. this is what i find incredible we are getting so focused on the deal and
house speaker john boehner said his plan cuts $2.2 trillion over 10 years. think about $16 trillion. that's how much debt this country has and according to bill gross, the man who runs the world's biggest bond fund, the guy that decides to lend money to the united states and how much we have to pay to borrow, says we have to cut spending or raise taxes by 11% of gdp over next 10 years and according to gross that's $1.6 trillion a year. that is, let's just make this clear, $1.2 trillion a year...
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is speaker boehner now on the wrong side of history? >> well, his entire party on a lot of issues is on the wrong side of history. we don't feel sorry for him because we're making progress economically as a nation. that's very, very important. and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all the time. one of the key distinctions between letting the taxes go up a little bit on the 2% versus trying to find this money through deductions, is the fact when we're talking about capping deductions, that's something that's going to impact middle class families and middle class earners the most. and so it really is -- i don't want to make this about class warfare. it's really about what is fiscally smart for the economy. most economists are telling us this tax increase will not have very much impact in terms of growth. if you talk about essentially r
is speaker boehner now on the wrong side of history? >> well, his entire party on a lot of issues is on the wrong side of history. we don't feel sorry for him because we're making progress economically as a nation. that's very, very important. and the issues that we are going to address with this sort of fiscal cliff, fiscal slope, hill, wharf you want to call it are going to be very, very important issues. i want to clear one things up. the republicans wants to talk about deductions all...
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leaders held press conferences today to update americans on the progress, speaker of the house john boehner says this afternoon that he wants the president declarify how he will cut spending. >> we made a reasonable offer, it is now up to the white house to show us how they are going to cut spending and give us the balanced agreement the president has talked about for weeks. >> meanwhile house minority leader nancy pelosi says republicans need to get real on a solution and says she would like to see medicare and social security kept out of the discussions. >> the back and forth is only useful if it eliminates possibilities. as i have said don't even think about raising the medicare age, we are not throwing americas seniors over the cliff to give a tax cut to the wealthiest people in mish. >> it is likely they will have to work through the holidays to reach a compromise. despite a dip in unemployment and increased spending with consumers, economists say it is the figure fiscal cliff causing that and could bring them into that. when asked about it today the president said, it is still a work
leaders held press conferences today to update americans on the progress, speaker of the house john boehner says this afternoon that he wants the president declarify how he will cut spending. >> we made a reasonable offer, it is now up to the white house to show us how they are going to cut spending and give us the balanced agreement the president has talked about for weeks. >> meanwhile house minority leader nancy pelosi says republicans need to get real on a solution and says she...
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. >> outfront next, john boehner says the sprt slow walking to the edge of the fiscal cliff. but the house speaker did give us one flash of hope if you listen to his words very carefully. the u.s. is updating its military plans against syria as new intelligence shows assad's regime is loading sarin gas into bombs. and president obama's pot problem. let's go "outfront." >>> i'm tom foreman in for erin burnett. outfront tonight, the magic number after a whole week of harsh words here in washington and threats to, did house speaker john boehner hint ever so slightly at a compromise today that could finally edge us away from the dreaded fiscal cliff? it comes down to tax rates. this is a huge sticking point in the stalled negotiations between the president and mr. boehner. obama says the top rate on household income above $250,000 should rise from 35% to 39.6%. boehner wants the rate to stay at 35% or even lower. but what about meeting in the middle? around 37%? listen carefully to the speaker when he was asked today whether that rate could be the answer to this impasse. >> there
. >> outfront next, john boehner says the sprt slow walking to the edge of the fiscal cliff. but the house speaker did give us one flash of hope if you listen to his words very carefully. the u.s. is updating its military plans against syria as new intelligence shows assad's regime is loading sarin gas into bombs. and president obama's pot problem. let's go "outfront." >>> i'm tom foreman in for erin burnett. outfront tonight, the magic number after a whole week of...
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even so, the president extended the invitation to boehner friday after boehner, for the first time in a press conference, publicly at least hinted he might be open to raising the top income tax rates on the top 2% of american household income earners. that may have cleared an opening for the president and boehner if that did, in fact, happen, we'll know in the very near future. for "cbs this morning," major garrett, the white house. >> major garrett, thanks. early this morning we heard general electric chairman and ceo jeff immelt call on speaker boehner to, quote, take the heat and get republicans to support a compromise on the fiscal cliff. immelt knows about something about taking the heat. in our interview friday, he spoke at length about the consequences of not making a deal. and for those who say we can go over the fiscal cliff and it might not be such a bad thing, you say? >> i say there are people that don't have anybody that works for them. you know, in other words, we haven't been on this for two weeks or two days or two months. we've been working on this for 2 1/2 years. wh
even so, the president extended the invitation to boehner friday after boehner, for the first time in a press conference, publicly at least hinted he might be open to raising the top income tax rates on the top 2% of american household income earners. that may have cleared an opening for the president and boehner if that did, in fact, happen, we'll know in the very near future. for "cbs this morning," major garrett, the white house. >> major garrett, thanks. early this morning...
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a year ago, eric cantor was measuring the curtains in boehner's office, but i think now, boehner knows he's just got to get this done, suffer through, the republicans will take the hit if this doesn't happen and they don't need that kind of bad press. it will just make obama all the more powerful heading into his reinauguration. >> all right. both of you guys seem glass half-fullish on this. bottom line, ron first, deal or no deal? >> bottom line, i don't think the president wants to go over the cliff, because he'll be giving an inaugural address with the country in fiscal shambles. and the president still is the commander in chief, the leader of our country. and if he presides over this, a lot of mud is going to splash up on him too. i think we'll be able to get this deal done, but, again, the devil's in the details. >> tight on time, jason, deal or no deal? >> we're going to get a deal, right at the end of the year, everyone's happy, unemployment will keep coming, and we will not hit the fiscal cliff. >> all right, gentleman, thank you for your insight. we'll see if there'll be a dea
a year ago, eric cantor was measuring the curtains in boehner's office, but i think now, boehner knows he's just got to get this done, suffer through, the republicans will take the hit if this doesn't happen and they don't need that kind of bad press. it will just make obama all the more powerful heading into his reinauguration. >> all right. both of you guys seem glass half-fullish on this. bottom line, ron first, deal or no deal? >> bottom line, i don't think the president wants...
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i don't know why john boehner is negotiating this in public. he had a private meeting with the president last week, they spoke by phone sunday night. today he gets out and says he's slow walk it, why is he doing it in public rather than dealing directly with the president and bad-mouthing the white house and saying the president is not really negotiating in good faith basically is what john boehner is saying. bill: maybe that is the case. >> why say that publicly when you're trying to come to a deal with somebody on the other side. bill: that's a fair point. what about that if true. >> let's look at president's record quickly. he's had four years of trillion dollar deficits. he hasn't even had a budget in place. >> not true. >> this president has not done anything to get our fiscal house in order. >> that is not true. that is just not true. >> it is true. >> he's offered to cut -- >> let's be clear by his cuts. his cuts are for five and ten years from now. we can't even make cuts that he said would happen in a year. on sequester he said it wasn
i don't know why john boehner is negotiating this in public. he had a private meeting with the president last week, they spoke by phone sunday night. today he gets out and says he's slow walk it, why is he doing it in public rather than dealing directly with the president and bad-mouthing the white house and saying the president is not really negotiating in good faith basically is what john boehner is saying. bill: maybe that is the case. >> why say that publicly when you're trying to...
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speaker john boehner saying discussions are taking place. liz: maybe the fact they're keeping quiet may mean something is really going to happen. keep dreaming. >> does politics have to watch out what is happening in silicon valley. apple and google compete on so many different rounds. but they're actually coming together to co-compete on a bid for the patents that kodak holds. 1100 patents, half a billion dollars. they realize instead of sitting across from each other playing and outbidding one another, we will work together and co-compete for these and work together to get these patents for both of us. something to watch. liz: not all patents are equal. they will start dealing and wheeling. >> it all looks kosher right now, but i'm sure it is not. liz: what about the flash cube patent. dennis, what about you? >> mayor bloomberg could be in for holiday shopping. bloomberg media company may want to buy the financial times. any deal more for prestige and profits. preservation down 30% in four years, 300,000. yet bloomberg is a hungry acquirer
speaker john boehner saying discussions are taking place. liz: maybe the fact they're keeping quiet may mean something is really going to happen. keep dreaming. >> does politics have to watch out what is happening in silicon valley. apple and google compete on so many different rounds. but they're actually coming together to co-compete on a bid for the patents that kodak holds. 1100 patents, half a billion dollars. they realize instead of sitting across from each other playing and...
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boehner is ready for a sit down with the president. >> we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> a rare senate appearance, by former majority leader bob dole wasn't enough to win over republican support for a treaty promising equal rights for people with disabilities. we'll talk with the leading sponsor john kerry about what he called one of the sadsest days of his long senate career. >> this vote is to test whether the senate will stand up for those who cannot see or hear and whether senators can hear the truth and see the facts. >> at nato today, secretary of state hillary clinton bids farewell and voices a warning about securing syria's chemical weapons. >> our concerns that an increasingly desperate assad regime might turn to chemical weapons or might lose control of them to one of the many groups that are now operating within syria. >> and road to 2016, congressman paul ryan and senator marco
boehner is ready for a sit down with the president. >> we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> a rare senate appearance, by former majority leader bob dole wasn't enough to win over republican support for a treaty promising equal rights for people with disabilities. we'll talk with the leading...
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you have been critical of house speaker john boehner and what is on the table. what he put to the table, $800 billion of tax deduction and closing loopholes already. what do you say to people who say listen, the president won re-election. the republicans have to do something to get a deal? >> we don't have a revenue problem. government doesn't need to take more money out of the economy to give stoit incompetent politicians and bureaucrats. that won't make the middle class or anybody better off. look at obama's policies played out at the state level, greece, all over the world. there is no place they are working or have ever worked. but you can point to states where governor like scott walker or john kasich or rick scott are employing the conservative principles and they are attracting businesses and creating jobs. o'reilly did a great segment comparing texas and california. that is what i want to do with heritage, showcase successes we are having. to republicans concede we need more revenue in the context of not reforming entitlement or the tax code and the pres
you have been critical of house speaker john boehner and what is on the table. what he put to the table, $800 billion of tax deduction and closing loopholes already. what do you say to people who say listen, the president won re-election. the republicans have to do something to get a deal? >> we don't have a revenue problem. government doesn't need to take more money out of the economy to give stoit incompetent politicians and bureaucrats. that won't make the middle class or anybody...
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speaker boehner countered with another offer. and lawmakers were expressing pessimism that a deal was close leading kevin mccarthy to say, i think it is getting worse and not better. stock futures are higher as investors wait for news on whether the federal reserve will announce a new stimulus plan today. regulators have launched three rounds of quantitative easing since the crisis hit. ben bernanke will be held in news conference and you could hear live right here on c-span radio. those are some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. [video clip] >> the white house was very controversial. l'enfant designed washington city. there was a competition and he submitted the design for a palace. americans were not having a palace. it was not particularly awe- inspiring. in fact, in 1821, a european diplomat told the congress that it was neither large nor awe- inspiring. but the answer the congressman gave said the building served its purpose. if it were larger and more elegant, perhaps some president would be inclined to become its pe
speaker boehner countered with another offer. and lawmakers were expressing pessimism that a deal was close leading kevin mccarthy to say, i think it is getting worse and not better. stock futures are higher as investors wait for news on whether the federal reserve will announce a new stimulus plan today. regulators have launched three rounds of quantitative easing since the crisis hit. ben bernanke will be held in news conference and you could hear live right here on c-span radio. those are...
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. >> reporter: saturday light live sub jested that republican ras bullying boehner in the cafeteria. >> he didn't have any milk to drink because -- well, tell them why, john. >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage doctor they make any progress at the white house? both sides very tight lipped. in fact, they released the same statement world for word, very quiet. david? >> thank you. >>> wall street also watching as both sides inch to the fiscal cliff. not only are your taxes in the balance so are the 401ks. and today, ood holiday bonus, gas prices. we bring in bianna golodryga. you look at gas prices. write on pace to set a record. >> the average american household is expected to spend $4,000 a year on gasoline alone. and gas at 3.93 a gallon and today, take a look at this, $3.35 and by miscase time, estimates we will see 3.20. a lot has to do with post sandy. the supply is back up and the hope is that consumers will take the money and spend it shopping. >> that is the hope. and jobs number, better than expected. unemployment now to 7.7%. and bianna, people watching to
. >> reporter: saturday light live sub jested that republican ras bullying boehner in the cafeteria. >> he didn't have any milk to drink because -- well, tell them why, john. >> they had taken my milk and thrown it in the garbage doctor they make any progress at the white house? both sides very tight lipped. in fact, they released the same statement world for word, very quiet. david? >> thank you. >>> wall street also watching as both sides inch to the fiscal...
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we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key guys. he can only go so far. i would guess that they're the ones holding the pen when he wrote, "i will not raise rates" in that letter he sent to president obama. but the problem is, we can agree or disagree with the president's position. i honestly take the president at his word. i do not believe there will be a deal here without some increase in tax rates for the top 2%. it doesn't have to be all of it, but some of it. i think the president has changed his tune a bit from the way he's handled some of these other negotiations. and take everything you say
we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has, and eric cantor and a paul ryan problem, he's got to keep them on board as his key...
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>> want to know about john boehner? >> sure. >> do we have the boehner sound bite? roll it. >> the president and i had a deliberate call yesterday and we spoke honestly and openly about the differences that we face. but the president's calling for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> we can bring a bill to the floor that the republicans don't have to vote for except for 25. hi to do it as speaker. do you know what it was like for me to bring a bill to the floor to fund the war in iraq? it's tough. but you have to do it. is the point you don't want to put your members on the spot, figure it out. we did. figure it out. >> figure it out, richard, when both sides are dealing with each other in good faith and i think it's important to note that the president was at one point $6 trillion. he's at $1.4 trillion. that ain't nothing. i think that requires john boehner, if we're playing in good faith to publicly go from 800 to 1. send a message and have the battles that we were talking about, michael was talking about, how are you going
>> want to know about john boehner? >> sure. >> do we have the boehner sound bite? roll it. >> the president and i had a deliberate call yesterday and we spoke honestly and openly about the differences that we face. but the president's calling for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> we can bring a bill to the floor that the republicans don't have to vote for except for 25. hi to do it as speaker. do you know what it was like...
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but you talk about speaker boehner. in a news conference friday, he said another week has been wasted. and i get very little sense that they, behind the scenes, are making much progress. we'll talk to two of the key plaifers in all of this at the top of the hour. charles schumer of new york, one of the leading democrats in the senate, and republican senator bob corker, and we'll talk to them about is there any progress being made and what do they see as a possible compromise? >> and chris, explain to me, why is it that the white house is to resistent to the republicans' proposals for closing loopholes and deductions? >> well, i think two points. one is they say you can't get the math. they say that as part of the deal, and they are talking about $4 trillion in deficit reduction, that if you close the loopholes and you're not going to close the loopholes for the middle class, you're just not going to get enough money, 400, $500 billion. the president says he wants $1.6 trillion. my guess is he would probably settle for a
but you talk about speaker boehner. in a news conference friday, he said another week has been wasted. and i get very little sense that they, behind the scenes, are making much progress. we'll talk to two of the key plaifers in all of this at the top of the hour. charles schumer of new york, one of the leading democrats in the senate, and republican senator bob corker, and we'll talk to them about is there any progress being made and what do they see as a possible compromise? >> and...
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recently called for john boehner's overthrow by other conservatives in the house. more unink hadded jim demint without having to worry about being a senator is incredibly paralyzing for the republican party. jon: he says he fields he can wield more influence as head of the heritage foundation as he can as a united states senator. here's what he told our bret baier. >> i think i'm in a more powerful position than a single united states senator. i wouldn't feel good about leaving if we didn't have so many new bright young conservatives now in the senate but it's time that conservatives take control of our message and let americans know what we can do to make their lives better. republicans hadn't done that good of a job as a party doing that. jon: he spoke about conservatives, monica, not necessarily republicans. he seemed to be aiming his ire at both parties but republican as well. >> as well he should because the republican establishment for many decades, but now even more recently on the fiscal cliff, they seem to be willing to go down that road of big government,
recently called for john boehner's overthrow by other conservatives in the house. more unink hadded jim demint without having to worry about being a senator is incredibly paralyzing for the republican party. jon: he says he fields he can wield more influence as head of the heritage foundation as he can as a united states senator. here's what he told our bret baier. >> i think i'm in a more powerful position than a single united states senator. i wouldn't feel good about leaving if we...
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jenna: so that's senator durbin responding to also what congressman boehner, speaker boehner said last hour. we brought that to you live as well. there's a lot of back and forth about what's happening in congress right now, where are we with the fiscal cliff negotiations based on these two pressers, it's fair to say probably not close to a negotiation. watch it, by the way, streaming at foxnews.com live, so you can check out for that. now we have a rare opportunity for you. just coming in to us on the newsroom, we have a phoner from aleppo, syria. a friend of the show, we've talked to him before when he came back stateside is in aleppo right now, and he's going to tell us a little bit about what's happening on the ground. barak, can you describe what's happening in that city? >> basically, the rebels hold part of the city, and the regime holds the other part of the city, and the regime shells -- [inaudible] you hear jets in the sky. and it's very, very difficult right now for the civilians to lead a regular life. one man told me today he -- [inaudible] 20 days. people respect having, a
jenna: so that's senator durbin responding to also what congressman boehner, speaker boehner said last hour. we brought that to you live as well. there's a lot of back and forth about what's happening in congress right now, where are we with the fiscal cliff negotiations based on these two pressers, it's fair to say probably not close to a negotiation. watch it, by the way, streaming at foxnews.com live, so you can check out for that. now we have a rare opportunity for you. just coming in to us...
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any word on what speaker boehner might say later this morning? >> reporter: well as you said he's meeting with his house republican conference, all the rank and file republicans, as we speak in the room literally right next door to where i am right now. we're going to see our reporting we're going to see what the mood of the republican caucus is, where they stand, because as you know, a big part of the dynamic here that we've been talking about for weeks is the fact that boehner really is a bit ham strung because many in his caucus, most in his caucus really do not want him to give on that big divide over raising tax rates for the wealthiest americans, so we're going to see if there's any give on that in his caucus and of course, what he's going to do here is probably a lot of public posturing, which we heard yesterday and the day before that and the day before that, but got to read between the lines on the public posturing so we'll tell you what happens. >> public postures in washington? never. >> reporter: i know, who knew? >> dana, thank you.
any word on what speaker boehner might say later this morning? >> reporter: well as you said he's meeting with his house republican conference, all the rank and file republicans, as we speak in the room literally right next door to where i am right now. we're going to see our reporting we're going to see what the mood of the republican caucus is, where they stand, because as you know, a big part of the dynamic here that we've been talking about for weeks is the fact that boehner really is...
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boehner's office says that they want more details on spending cuts. so here's what senator bob corker had to say on the deal. >> i agree that we can get to a grand bargain but it has to be one, in my case, where you've actually made the decisions. i'm not going to do another process bill. i'm sorry. there's an old adage here in the senate, there's nothing to be learned from the second kick in the shin. >> and you can put that on a christmas card. so which sides benefits most from this you go first type of game? >> you know, it's a great question. i do think that we're going to come away with tax hikes for the rich. that's been one of hits key goals, huge issue in the campaign. i think that has to happen. i expect it to happen. that will be a good thing. what i'm hoping is that doesn't mean that republicans will harden around raising the debt ceiling a couple of months from now because that becomes then this continuing game of chicken and that's really what we don't want to see in terms of getting the economy back on track. >> that is the potential nex
boehner's office says that they want more details on spending cuts. so here's what senator bob corker had to say on the deal. >> i agree that we can get to a grand bargain but it has to be one, in my case, where you've actually made the decisions. i'm not going to do another process bill. i'm sorry. there's an old adage here in the senate, there's nothing to be learned from the second kick in the shin. >> and you can put that on a christmas card. so which sides benefits most from...